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fitting alarm to 1954 mercury monterey. - Jul. 3 2008 14:19:01
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cozican007
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how can we fit a thatcham alarm to our 1954 mercury monterey? its 6 volt. can we run a 12 volt battery just for the alarm, and a stereo? or do we have to rewire the whole car to 12 volt, costing approx £2000. { thats what we have been quoted } any ideas will be really welcome.
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RE: fitting alarm to 1954 mercury monterey. - Jul. 3 2008 15:58:18
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BKM
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Hi Graham,
Welcome to the forum. I'm assuming you want to fit a Thatcham approved alarm because your insurers have required you to do so?
I've checked and there are no 6V Thatcham category alarms.
Perhaps the cheapest way would be to run the alarm from a leisure type battery which gets charged from a solar panel. You can buy these fairly cheaply and they are pretty small and unobtrusive. Your alarm would take a long time to drain a charged up battery as long as it wasn't going off all the time.
Or, how about a Thatcham approved motorcycle alarm? They're all 6V as far as I know. A good company could probably fit sensors to your doors etc to make it work.
Alternatively, there may be a way of fitting a second 6V battery and somehow getting 12V for the alarm/radio whilst still utilising the cars original charging system. My best guess is that our very own Chris Walker (Chrisedsel) would know the answer to this problem. He's a wiz with vehicle wiring and knows his Fords better than most. He'll no doubt be on here sooner or later.
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RE: fitting alarm to 1954 mercury monterey. - Jul. 3 2008 15:58:36
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would guess the esiest way is fit a 12 volt battery just fer alarm an yer stereo
Bren probly mosta bikes nowadays are 12 volt,
unless yer referin to hemi's bsa bantam then its 6 volt
but personally had sooner have a bantam pinched than even buy a padlock an chain
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RE: fitting alarm to 1954 mercury monterey. - Jul. 3 2008 16:16:32
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cozican007
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thank you for your reply. it gives me a few ideas to go to the shop with, especially the bike alarm idea. i am going to see the ppl tomorrow, and put your ideas to them.
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RE: fitting alarm to 1954 mercury monterey. - Jul. 3 2008 16:20:56
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thanks daveredneck. i was hoping that i could do that. just gonna have to find a way to fix the battery in the boot, with out ruining the appearance.
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RE: fitting alarm to 1954 mercury monterey. - Jul. 3 2008 16:29:51
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thanks brendan. can you also recommend someone who could rewire the car from 6 to 12 volt? weve got a company in aylesbury, but they seem to think that it will cost between £2000 to £4000 to do it.
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RE: fitting alarm to 1954 mercury monterey. - Jul. 3 2008 17:17:38
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thanks daveredneck. i was hoping that i could do that. just gonna have to find a way to fix the battery in the boot, with out ruining the appearance.
yer could fix a battry in the boot ,then cut the bottom outa somat like a 2 gallon petrol can an cover the battry
then it looks like yer just prepared 
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RE: fitting alarm to 1954 mercury monterey. - Jul. 3 2008 18:03:29
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BKM
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I don't know what the "going rate" would be for a conversion to be honest, so it's hard to say whether thats a competitive quote or otherwise.
There's a company in the States called 'Painless' who make wiring looms for all sorts of vehicles, hot rods to classics.
http://www.painlessperformance.com/webcatalog/searchresults.php?SearchAll=Classic+Cars
Might be worth having a look at them.
I would have thought that any competent auto electrician could do an install of a Painless loom into your Mercury, but it is time consuming and labour intensive work and that's where your money goes.
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RE: fitting alarm to 1954 mercury monterey. - Jul. 3 2008 19:15:57
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quote:
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thanks brendan. can you also recommend someone who could rewire the car from 6 to 12 volt? weve got a company in aylesbury, but they seem to think that it will cost between £2000 to £4000 to do it.
HOW MUCH!!!!!!!!! I think that man needs a reality check
A good auto electrician should chargearound £500/600....It is a fairly easy job to do if you have a little bit of knowledge ..but if you don't then stay away and let some one else do it.
There are ways of fitting an extra 6 volt battery and linking them so that you can use a 12v stereo etc but it does involve a couple of relays
A 12v alarm will drain a fully charged battery in less than 2 weeks if left on..how many of you have been away and left your alarm on only to come back to a car that won't start?
The article Bren found is spot on..and as the man said you don't need to change your wiring ..I have done a few and have never change any wiring yet.
your worst problem are the starter motor and dynamo but later model ones will fit you engine ...
A 6v thatcham alarm can be used and a perimeter sensor fitted which puts an invisible sheild around your motor but you will need extra sensors fitted..all depends on what make you get as to whether or not you can purchase the extra sensors.
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RE: fitting alarm to 1954 mercury monterey. - Jul. 3 2008 20:07:16
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wow, thanks to everyone for their help and advice. big thanks to brendan, for all your help regarding membership, and on here.
as ive only just got the car, and dont yet know enough about it, i will have to get some one else to do the conversion for me. the car has been rewired, and the starter motor has been reconditioned. the mechanic who quoted that price, {usually does aston martins, and bentleys. that might explain the price. lol.} reckons that the wiring and motor are fine, so it doesnt need a total strip down. if anyone can recommend someone who can do it for me, i would be really grateful. i desperately need to get this done, so i can get an alarm on the car for insurance purposes.
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RE: fitting alarm to 1954 mercury monterey. - Jul. 3 2008 20:57:59
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cozican007
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need an alarm, cant fit the car in the garage, lol. its outside my house. so want to be sure its gonna be ok.
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RE: fitting alarm to 1954 mercury monterey. - Jul. 3 2008 21:02:19
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quote:
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and dave>>>> >>> but personally had sooner have a bantam pinched than even buy a padlock an chain  its a classic.
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RE: fitting alarm to 1954 mercury monterey. - Jul. 3 2008 21:48:49
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Hi ya Graham, I know you'll probably want it done yesterday but I'm off to the states later this month to a FORD car show
There will be quite a number of old timers who will have an answer for you.
I can't e-mail them now as they will be on the road with there cars, some of them take 2 weeks to arrive at the convention.
I have made a note of your e-mail and will e-mail you from over there if you've not got it sorted by then, but if possible wait if you can
I keep my jamjar on the frog and toad and told insurance no alarm and mine is under £300 for 5000 miles. My cars value is about the same as yours, and I forgot to tell them I'm a member of the club, should do really as 10% saving on insurance pays for club membership.
Also you get cheaper parts.
Another point from a personel point of view get a couple of quotes for the same payout for total loss with and without an alarm and see if the prices you have been quoted work out.
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RE: fitting alarm to 1954 mercury monterey. - Jul. 4 2008 0:23:13
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englishedsel
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Col depends on where you live ...my edsel lived on the drive for 12 months before garage was built ..no alarm but fitted a battery master/kill switch
which insurance company are you with ...as I have never been asked to fit an alarm on any of my cars ..just an immobaliser ...
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RE: fitting alarm to 1954 mercury monterey. - Jul. 13 2008 19:52:10
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cozican007
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thanks to everyone for your ideas, and help. im gonna put an alarm, wired up to a 12 volt battery, on the car. dont want to change whole wiring from 6 volt, as it will alter the car. so going to run alarm, and stereo off seperate battery. think this is the best solution for now, until i get the car resprayed, and re built, in the future. with regards to the insurance company, its my fault, as i told them i was going to get a thatcham alarm on it, as some bloke told me, he could do it, and i want an alarm on it anyway. just in case......
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